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Most Ijaw Political Elites are Traitors --- Alhaji Asari 

The situation in Nigeria state gets murkier every passing day as the various nationality groups agitates over one action or inaction of the federal government.  But the most salient of the agitations lately apart from the attempts by the National Assembly to impeach President Olusegun Obasanjo is the re-election bid of most political office holders along with the contentious issue of resource control and self-determination clamour that has heightened up in the Niger Delta region.

After the April 5th, 2002 decision by the Supreme court on the contentious onshore/offshore dichotomy, the situation of things in the Niger Delta has gradually turned onces again to its previous times of civil confrontation from the natives of the region, so much so, that the women folks also has joined the degree of people being restive.

This has culminated lately to the protest witnessed in Delta and Ondo State.  As reports have it that Itsekiri and Ijaw women in Delta State with Ilaje women counterparts in Ondo State, seized Oil locations to drum-up support for their plight.

Hither to this development, youths from the oil communities in the region had been noted to be those largely involved with such acts as seizure of oil location, short down of oil rig, hostage taking, as it were.

Based on this development Ijaw News Publisher, Presidor Ghomorai met with the National President of Ijaw Youth Council (IYC) Alhaji Mujahdeen Dokubo Asari, the group that proclaimed the now famous Kaiama Declaration in the historical town of Kaiama the home place of the Ijaw Martyr,  Major Isaac Adaka Jasper Boro, in December 11, 1998.

Alhaji Asari, whose Presidency is not contested as he was duly elected in the Patani summit of the Ijaw youths in December 31st, 2001.  Since assuming office as IYC President, he and his National executive committee have tremendously turned around the situation of the youth’s quest, for the better.  He himself having served the eloquent erstwhile President Felix Tuodolo, so he   can be said to have had enough knowledge of the intrigues involved in leading a greatly disadvantaged Ijaw youths of Ijaw world.

Alhaji Asari who was a participant in the recently concluded United Nations World Summit on Sustainable Development popularly referred to as “the Earth Summit” in far away Johannesburg in South Africa, bares his mind on many contentious matters such as the Ijaw Youth Council, its relationship with the Ijaw National Congress (INC), the women protest in the Niger Delta and the clamour for Resource control and self-determination by any means necessary after theApril 5 2002 Supreme Court verdict.

Like him or hate him you can’t take away Alhaji Asari’s political consciousness from him.

He was elaborate-on issues that affects the Ijaw people whom he said had always insisted on the dismantling of the Nigerian State.

The excerpts from the chat.

Alhaji Can You Briefly Tell Us What The IYC is all about?

Ijaw Youth Council (IYC) is a conglomeration of Ijaw Youth organizations cutting across the three geopolitical regions of Ijaw land - the Central zone, the Western zone and the Eastern zone.  On the 11th of December, 1998 Ijaw Youths resolved that instead of being fragmented into pockets of organisations and associations they should come together.  Hence we assembled at Kaiama and came up with the Kaiama Declaration.

Since then the Ijaw Youth Council has been an umbrella body of all Ijaw Youths as the Ijaw National Congress (INC) has been moribund for some time now because of the crisis it is going through.  Though the IYC had its own problems but as a militant body we’re able to resolve it amicably.

How have you been counselling your members against being used as thugs by politicians in the forth-coming polls?

The voting age in Nigeria is 18. Once you’re 18 you can vote and be voted for.  So I don’t know who is using youths as political thugs.

Most of the elected politicians and political office holders fall within the age bracket of youths.

The general advice for the Ijaw people is that we really do not have anything at stake in the Nigerian state so there is no need for us to engage in fighting each other.

Whatever position we aspire should not be the position that will make us kill ourselves because we are powerless. Our Houses of Assembly are powerless, our governors are powerless.  Instead of Nigeria running a federal state we are running a unitary state where all powers are vested in the government in Abuja.  So there is no need for us to kill ourselves.  There is actually no difference between the parties we have today, they are all the same.  They all represent the tyranny of the state of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Can you expatiate on the tyranny issue?

The Nigerian state has been hijacked by the Hausa -Fulani oligarchy and their collaborators; Igbo, Yoruba hegemonistic nationalities.  They have collaborated to steal our culture and our God given resources.

The exploration of oil and gas has brought about decay in the moral fabric of Ijaw man.  Today in most of our villages you’ll find out that most of our ladies have gone into prostitution.  Things that were unheard of before like homosexuality are being practiced.  The Ijaw man is slowly being killed by the Nigerian state.

All facets of our life, our economy, our religion or culture is dying. so how can we encourage such a state? even what happened to South Africans during the apartheid regime is child’s play compared to  what is happening to us. We the Ijaw youths have sworn that the gods of Ijaw land should descend on any Ijaw man that campaigns or votes for Obasanjo during the next presidential polls. He is public enemy number one of the Ijaw people. Any Ijaw man that campaigns or vote for him is under a curse. If the curse dose not affect him or his family now it would in future. Obasanjo seized our land through the Land Use Act and gave it to the federal government. He seized our resources through the Petroleum Act. It did not end there, he took us to court and got a fraudulent judgment where by he took our resources. Inspite of all the votes we gave to him in 1999 he has been very ungrateful to us he has been so arrogant. All Ijaw people must come out and vote against him.

We must pull him down. The IYC has launched a project called Operation Pull Down Obasanjo and we’ve been going round all ijaw communities campaigning against him.

The PDP, President Obasanjo’s Party, controls all the states where the Ijaws except Ondo state which is controlled by AD, don’t you think your campaign is more of an anti-PDP thing?

Those governing the states where we have the Ijaws should tell Obasanjo that his days in Aso Rock are numbered. But if these governors go against the people, the people should go against them. We cannot vote our enemy to power again. Obasanjo has brought a lot of suffering and pain on our people.  Whether the PDP likes it or not Obasanjo can never get the vote of the Ijaw people again.

What is the cause of your face off with the former Petroleum Minister, Professor Tam David West?

It is unfortunate that we have problems. Prof. Tam David-West’s mother and my mother are children of the same father. By that we are cousins. But he has been annoying our people. He has always been given appointments by regimes that are Ijaw enemies. The question is that to what extent has he contributed to the advancement of the Ijaw nation. He himself has fallen victim of those oppressive people who have always subjugated us.

He was jailed and later released by them. These oppressive forces are of the belief that any Ijaw man who rises to the pinnacle of power and authority and opposes them should be pulled down. That is the way they killed Isaac Adaka Boro, Ken Saro- Wiwa and several others. The issues are very clear. I am not on the same path with Professor Tam David-West. He is on the path of retrogression, salesmanship (selling the Ijaw man). We are on the vanguard of the struggle for the liberation of the Ijaws so we can never agree. What happened was that he wanted to impose a candidate as Amanyanabo in Kalabari and I opposed him. I insisted that the due process and tradition should be followed. I have no regret doing that. He came out flaunting his connections and credentials. I may not possess any of that but I have the support of my people. It is not because I am close to the corridors of power. By the nature of the organisation I am leading I am not supposed to be close to any government that is not protecting the interest of the Ijaws. But if a government protects Ijaw people’s interest I will support it. I want to state it clearly and put it on record that I am a supporter of  Dr. Peter Odili, the Rivers state governor. I love him as an individual. I appreciate his qualities. Let me advice people that we should not fall into the same trap that others have fallen into. We are fighting against oppression, let nobody tell me that because Dr. Peter Odili is not an Ijaw man so he should not be voted for by the Ijaw people. What is of interest to us is that, what has he done, that we are campaigning against him.  If there are proofs that he is anti-Ijaw then I will have no option than to fight against him but I have no proof of such an anti Ijaw behavior in him.  In a state where the Ijaws are not the most populous group, yet we have the majority of the Commissioners, Permanent secretaries and other political appointees and somebody starts saying that the Ijaws are being marginalized. I will tell such a person that it’s a LIE!.  In Rivers State the Commissioners for Finance, Health, Works, Power, Employment and Empowerment, and several visible political office holders are Ijaws. If these Ijaw political office holders are not performing well, we should hold them responsible for non-performance. If they say that Odili is not giving them a free hand then we’ll tell them to resign. But they have not said so. Each time that accusations are made against him by some Ijaw people, he Dr. Odili had been very willing to meet with us and give cogent explanations. We have discovered that most of these anti-Odili people are selfish contractors. How have they supported the Ijaw struggle? What has been their contributions? Has any of their children joined us in this struggle?  Are we fools?  Are we their servants?  We face bullets every time we close down flow stations or go on demonstrations. Some unfortunate ones amongst us die, some are maimed, and some are arrested and detained. Are their children more important than us? If they love the Ijaw nation why are they and their children not participating in the struggle? They benefit from the struggle. We were able  to influence the payment of 13 percent derivation to oil producing states, today are we on the board of the Niger Delta Development Commision-(NDDC) ? Are we in the National Assembly? Are we commissioners?  Most of these selfish people are the immediate beneficiaries of our struggle.  None of them has contributed up to N200,000 to the struggle.  Every month the IYC spend millions of naira to keep the struggle going.   But in their case when they want to share and they’re being cheated, they see us as their thugs who should go and fight for them.

We cannot be their thugs. They are not more important than our fathers! They can say I am arrogant, that is their cup of tea! Their children are not as important as me so they cannot use me.  How did Odili come to power?  Were there no Ijaw candidates in PDP when they decided that Dr. Peter Odili was the best candidate to present at the polls?  What is now happening?

Oh, so they are no longer sharing or contracts are no longer coming to them.  Is it now that they suddenly realized that Odili is an Ndoni man?  Nobody can use the IYC for dirty projects!  The IYC is a platform for the liberation of the Ijaw people and some friends of the Ijaw people are better than even some Ijaw people.  Most of our political elites are triators.  What have they done about the resource control war? The elections are round the corner and most of them are talking so that they can be considered for appointments.  The IYC cannot be bought by anybody.  If Odili says “don’t support me because you are against Obasanjo” then we will say “thank you very much we are not supporting you.” Nobody can buy the IYC, or Alhaji Dokubo Asari.  We are focused and we know what we are doing.  After all Bayelsa State have Ijaw governor, while we Ijaws also have Speakers of two Houses of Assembly, how have we faired in those states? We know they have not met our yearnings.

Hither to now the youths use to be the vanguard of such actions like seizure of oil station, lock-up-of oil farm and flow stations to register their grievances. Today we are witnessing the women folks who are the mothers, wives, sisters and daughters of the Niger Delta who now resorts to those actions as exhibited by the Ijaw, Itsekiri and Ilaje women.

We are encouraged by the efforts of our women to play a leading role in the struggle for the actualization of our people’s aspirations for some time now. It used to be the youths before now that were leading the struggle but this time around, the women folks, our mothers, our sisters, our wives have joined the struggle. We all know that the IYC is a broad based mass movement with the sole aim of liberating our people, from the shackles of oppression. In this war our mothers, our wives, and our sisters have been maimed and some killed because of their actions. Today our Itsekiri neighbours have seen that it is not only the Ijaw people that are suffering the fate of the brutal attacks led by the regime of President Obasanjo.

We on this premise want to call on all foreign embassies, home countries of the multi-national oil companies to pull out all their citizens and finance interest from the Niger Delta, because it is our blood (the people of the Niger Delta blood) that is being used to lubricate the economic machinery in their various home countries. America and other countries of the western world cannot be talking of containing terrorism all over the world, while it has installed a terrorist government in Nigeria that is terrorizing the innocent people in the Niger Delta.

We call on all men of goodwill all over the world to call our President Obasanjo to pull out his army of occupation in the Niger Delta because if he fails to do so, sooner or later our people will rise together hand in hand and we shall pull Obasanjo out of Aso Rock come 2003 election.

With the look of things so far highlighted, how do you see President Obasanjo re-election bid?

Let me tell you, Obasanjo has done nothing to merit a re-election. The Nigerian economy has totally collapsed. There is no economy so far. Obasanjo has nothing to show for his re-election.

We call on Nigerians to summon President Obasanjo to the Anti-graft commission. The commission should try Obasanjo for corruption because there are glaring evidences of corruption that is very pervasive in his administration.

The Naira has collapsed. Mr. President spends more time outside the shores of this country than in carrying out the business of governance of this country.

We call on him to immediately for the sake of honour stop outright his campaign for his re-election because he has nothing to offer Nigeria other than to insult our sensibility at all times and regard us as a people who are senseless. He regards us as a people who are nuisances to him. He is the know it all and the be it all. We want to call on every Nigerian that loves humanity, every Nigerian that loves the black race to appeal to Obasanjo and the INEC Chairman Dr. Abel Gbuobadia including his group of corrupt INEC commissioners to bow out honourably before it is too late.

Not too long, it was reported that you, along with others, on behalf of the people of South South, paid a solidarity visit to Mr. President, Chief Obasanjo in Aso Rock. How did you get to be involved in the picture?

Honestly some prominent Ijaw leaders in South Africa informed me of proposed visit to Aso Rock, during the World Earth Summit there. I was told that the president, Chief Olusegun Obasanjo would like to meet with the South South leadership and when I returned from South Africa precisely on Saturday September 7, 2002, I proceeded straight to P.H the following day which was Sunday and by Monday September 9, I left P.H for Abuja. On getting there I meet the rest of the delegates in Abuja. To cut everything short, I then insist on seeing the address to Mr. President for obvious reasons, I was politely denied the document by the organizers, I for one at the instance then decided to walkout of the group.  My Deputy President IYC, later beckoned on me, not to walkout but be present to see what they are doing. Hence, we returned back to the group and we were ushered into the presidential executive conference hall. Inside there rather than having the usual interactive session that accompanies such visits, where we are expected to express our grievances and position to Mr. President, what we discovered thereafter was a charade. It was all an arrangee forum organized to give Mr. President the false believe that the South South Zone is in support of Chief Obasanjo.

What then did you do at that instance?

We were at that point already inside the conference hall where everybody was.  The press, cameramen and others. We sat through out the period the programme  lasted, even through we were not happy with what was happening.

First Professor Turner Isoun, the Minister of Science and Technology opened the session by saying “Mr. President meet your die-hard supporters from the South-South Zone who had come to give their solidarity support to you”. After this opening speech in that light, one time Deputy Governor of Cross Rivers State Chief Ofobuche was then asked to read an address on our behalf.

Permit me to say, the address was worse than any address that can be read from any book of mediocrity. The address can win the Noble Prize on sycophancy and mediocrity.

Remember that as this was going on the press and their cameramen were doing their job. That was how the whole thing went at the public open session.

After that, we were now led to a close door session. When we got in the elders still continue playing their game of trying to praise sing Chief Obasanjo. So I cut in and I stated the position of the Ijaw people and insisted that until our lands, our rivers, our creeks are restored back to us and until our rights, which is our inalienable rights bequeathed to us by our ancestors are restored back to us, the people of Niger Delta will not give our support to Obasanjo. I also told him that we do not have any preferential candidates for the presidency in Nigeria, what we believe in is that what belongs to us most be restored back to us.

I told him the IYC and the Ijaw people cannot afford to support the presidency of Olusegun Obasanjo because he has never wished us well. When he was the Head of State in the 70s. He promulgated the land use decree and disposed our people of our lands and our rivers. And now again that he came back, he took us to court, through a dubious Supreme Court verdict, he took away our lands from us and that until he purges himself of the hatred, contempt and dislike he had for us, then and only then, shall we reconsider our position. Meanwhile I told him we cannot vote for him. This is true because it will be suicidal for any Ijaw man to vote for Chief Obasanjo again in the coming 2003 elections.

What is the relationship between the IYC and INC like?

The relationship between the Ijaw National Congress (INC) and Ijaw Youth Council (IYC) to some extent, we will say it is cordial but  recently through the efforts by Governor Alamieyeseigha to find a solution to the crises rocking the INC executive that brought back Dr. Kimse Okoko as the president of the congress. We have not seen anything they have done, but we believe the resolution effort is sincere and it was in the best interest of the ijaw nation. We do not have any preferential person to become president of INC or a member of the exco of the INC what we believe in is if they are committed to uphold the interest of the people of Ijaw nation, then there is no problem between we and them. We will work with them to see that they succeed and we are looking forward to seeing them succeed.

How would you describe Ijaw leaders concerning the resource control struggle?

Like I said earlier most of the Ijaw leaders if there is any are not committed to the issue of resource control and I want to clearly state that let us not hide under the word resource control. Resource control means nothing when it is not translated to action. What has happened in Nigeria is that our land has been taken away from us, our land is our right our rivers have been taken away from us, our air is being polluted what we are saying is that every Ijawman is duty bound to work. It is compulsory for every Ijawman to take back or repossesses our land, we are the only people in Nigeria that have been dispossessed of our rivers and creeks, we must use our formative action to repossess our land, there is nothing new about it all over the world.

In Palestine, in South Africa, in Zimbabwe, in Chechnya in everywhere, in Bosnia people are repossessing their land, we must take back our lands, we do not need the government to take back our lands, we do not need anybody to give us back our land, it is for us to take formative action and chase those multinationals away, they are on our lands and we must take back our lands.

In this case do you remember what happened to Odi, what if the situation repeats itself again? 

There will be many Odi in our struggle to repossess our lands, we have to pay the ultimate price to get back what our ancestors bequeathed to us. There is no way we can prevent the occurrence of another Odi because this is the historic and heroic fact that all those who fight for freedom passed through, there was Chaville, there was Soweto, there was Jennin. We must pass through the process that others have passed through as Ijaw people. We can not get freedom on the platter of gold. We will get it through blood and sweat and if anybody is telling us that we can get freedom through the negotiation table we are deceiving ourselves. Peace can only come by following the path of heroic struggle for the liberation of our land because those who oppresses us in Abuja, those who have dispossessed us, who have taken our wealth will never ever agree to give it back to us without a fight, and we must fight  every inch for all of our land that have been taken from us.

How do you describe that conference you and some South South leaders had with president Obasanjo in Abuja

It was the worst thing, the darkest day for the people of the Niger Delta.

How do you mean?

It was the darkest day in the sense that as the most deprived people in this part of the world we went to play sycophancy, we went there to praise President Olusegun Obasanjo and to tell him that he has done a lot for us when he has actually done nothing.  Chief Olusegun Obasanjo is the worst leader in the history of Nigeria as far as it concerns the people of the Niger Delta and we want to put it on record that we shall not be accepting the Niger Delta created by Olusegun Obasanjo.

Imo , Abia, Edo North, Cross Rivers and Akwa Ibom North are not Niger Delta. Niger Delta are the people that are living within the confirms of the tributaries of River Niger, so anybody who have created a Niger delta of their own which Obasanjo has created to deceive our people, to further dispossess our people, to distribute our wealth to other people and to present us as people who are only interested in fighting our neighbors.

What Obasanjo is trying to do is to present us as people who loves fighting our neighbors.

Tony Anineh is not a Niger Delta man, so if he is given appointment because he is from Niger delta is a big LIE. There is no oil flair in his place, there is no tidal erosion in his place, he does not feel any of the effects of oil exploration and exploitation so he cannot be a Niger Delta man. And so he does not feel the pains, so we must not accept those things that are not in the interest of our people.

The Niger Delta people are those who habit the Niger Delta region that was declared in 1963 by the Nigerian constitution and the Willinks commission which define the Niger Delta as Ijaw and the Ogoni territory anything outside that is not Niger Delta.

So we must make a distinction between the South South Zone and the Niger Delta, there is a South South zone and the zone is comprising of nine states of the dubious Nigerian Federation but the Niger Delta as it is defined by the 1963 Republican constitution and the Willinks commission is the Ijaw, Itsekiris and Ogoni territories, that is Niger Delta, all other things are South South or oil producing communities and states they are not Niger Delta people.

Finally Alhaji, we lately observed that you and other members of the IYC Executive Committee have been attending various forums across the country to brain- storm and dialogue for the way forward. What has been the position of such meetings? Like recently you were in Lagos with the OPC leader Gani Adams.

So far we have discussed the possibilities of averting ethnic crisis like we had witnessed not long ago. We brain storm more on common grounds of agitations. Such as harmonizing our perceived differences and forgeing ahead to jointly fight injustice and bad governance in all ramifications in the project called Nigeria.

 

Last modified: January 07, 2003